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		<title>By: Casual Friday: Ideological Dischord Edition &#171; Smart Tart</title>
		<link>http://www.roguelystated.com/2007/09/11/a-new-low/comment-page-1/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>Casual Friday: Ideological Dischord Edition &#171; Smart Tart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - shocked! That anti-Petraeus ad MoveOn.com put in last Sunday&#8217;s New York Times was eyeroll-worthy, even for liberals like me. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; shocked! That anti-Petraeus ad MoveOn.com put in last Sunday&#8217;s New York Times was eyeroll-worthy, even for liberals like me. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Emilian Papadopoulos</title>
		<link>http://www.roguelystated.com/2007/09/11/a-new-low/comment-page-1/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Emilian Papadopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand how bewildered you feel about the plummeting of the national dialogue to a new all-time low. How is it possible?? Many of us often ask the same thing when we contemplate President Bush&#039;s approval ratings.

I have no intention of defending everything MoveOn.org wrote or writes. Instead, I&#039;ll simply defend a few basic facts. The best starting point there is to make sure we&#039;ve all seen the ad: https://pol.moveon.org/petraeus.html

1. The MoveOn.org ad was not pure &quot;smear.&quot; It addressed past statements by General Petraeus and contrasted those with what we now know to have been the facts on the ground. (For the record, I think your reasons for liking Gen. Petraeus are all good and valid reasons, and I share many of them).

It also offered predictions, and they weren&#039;t half bad: &quot;Today, before Congress and before the American people, General Petraeus is likely to become General Betray Us. We may hear of a plan to withdraw a few thousand American troops. But we won&#039;t hear what Americans are desperate to hear: a timetable for withdrawing all our troops.&quot; This is exactly what happened. Given the accuracy of MoveOn.org&#039;s prediction, can we really call their ad defamation?

2. Your claim that &quot;if [Democrats] want to truly end the war, they have the power to do so by de-funding it&quot; is technically accurate but realistically not part of any path the Dems could chart. First, I don&#039;t believe that cutting funding is the will of – your words – the constituents that elected them to power. Second, it&#039;s bad policy, both for Iraq and for the American military. Third, it&#039;s bad politics; there are many who would love to see the Democrats once again forced onto the losing side of the national security debate, but it doesn&#039;t look like they&#039;re going to take the funding bait any time soon – to their credit.

Third, while I agree that decisions of life and death, of peace and war are &quot;the most critical dialogue a nation will ever engage in,&quot; I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to say that the nation&#039;s current dialogue is over &quot;whether or not to commit young Americans to fight a war for our nation.&quot; That decision was made in 2003. The conflict the U.S. is mired in right now is a result of that decision, regardless of the coming and going of &quot;mission accomplished&quot; banners. The question now is about strategic redeployment and a reshaping of the American mission and commitment. It remains, though, the most important national dialogue.

For as long as we&#039;re having that most important dialogue, it&#039;s probably best we stick to the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand how bewildered you feel about the plummeting of the national dialogue to a new all-time low. How is it possible?? Many of us often ask the same thing when we contemplate President Bush&#8217;s approval ratings.</p>
<p>I have no intention of defending everything MoveOn.org wrote or writes. Instead, I&#8217;ll simply defend a few basic facts. The best starting point there is to make sure we&#8217;ve all seen the ad: <a href="https://pol.moveon.org/petraeus.html" rel="nofollow">https://pol.moveon.org/petraeus.html</a></p>
<p>1. The MoveOn.org ad was not pure &#8220;smear.&#8221; It addressed past statements by General Petraeus and contrasted those with what we now know to have been the facts on the ground. (For the record, I think your reasons for liking Gen. Petraeus are all good and valid reasons, and I share many of them).</p>
<p>It also offered predictions, and they weren&#8217;t half bad: &#8220;Today, before Congress and before the American people, General Petraeus is likely to become General Betray Us. We may hear of a plan to withdraw a few thousand American troops. But we won&#8217;t hear what Americans are desperate to hear: a timetable for withdrawing all our troops.&#8221; This is exactly what happened. Given the accuracy of MoveOn.org&#8217;s prediction, can we really call their ad defamation?</p>
<p>2. Your claim that &#8220;if [Democrats] want to truly end the war, they have the power to do so by de-funding it&#8221; is technically accurate but realistically not part of any path the Dems could chart. First, I don&#8217;t believe that cutting funding is the will of – your words – the constituents that elected them to power. Second, it&#8217;s bad policy, both for Iraq and for the American military. Third, it&#8217;s bad politics; there are many who would love to see the Democrats once again forced onto the losing side of the national security debate, but it doesn&#8217;t look like they&#8217;re going to take the funding bait any time soon – to their credit.</p>
<p>Third, while I agree that decisions of life and death, of peace and war are &#8220;the most critical dialogue a nation will ever engage in,&#8221; I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to say that the nation&#8217;s current dialogue is over &#8220;whether or not to commit young Americans to fight a war for our nation.&#8221; That decision was made in 2003. The conflict the U.S. is mired in right now is a result of that decision, regardless of the coming and going of &#8220;mission accomplished&#8221; banners. The question now is about strategic redeployment and a reshaping of the American mission and commitment. It remains, though, the most important national dialogue.</p>
<p>For as long as we&#8217;re having that most important dialogue, it&#8217;s probably best we stick to the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Seán Kreyling</title>
		<link>http://www.roguelystated.com/2007/09/11/a-new-low/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Seán Kreyling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to the question about the US reaching a new political low ...&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4129492&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Myth of America&#039;s Genteel Political History&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the question about the US reaching a new political low &#8230;<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4129492" rel="nofollow">The Myth of America&#8217;s Genteel Political History</a></p>
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